Moet de IARU ons spectrum gaan kopen?

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Moet de IARU ons spectrum gaan kopen?

#1 Bericht door Paul PD0PSB »

Dit trieste bericht komt van UKQRM.

Wordt het tijd dat de IARU bij alle radiozendamateurs geld inzamelt om ons spectrum veilig te stellen?
Agentschap Telecom is de spectrum beschermer maar tevens spectrum verhandelaar.
In ons spectrum zit geen economisch belang meer, bescherming ervan voor onze kleinkinderen is weggegooid geld.
Of toch niet?

Lees dit schokkende verhaal van een Britse top EMC consultant:

Friends.

It is time to wake up. Some of you know that I have been locked in a battle with Ofcom over their incompetence regarding my case (all intelligent persons thus far reviewing the data have come to the same conclusion; sheer incompetence). You may also know that my recent formal complaint was swept under the carpet most effectively. What you don't know is that in preparation for a meeting with my MP regarding my situation I sought professional support from EMC consultants from around the UK - mostly the very well-known people; to help validate my complaint ready for the MP.

What I was not prepared for was the overwhelming sense of hopelessness that came back; it was not that my case was without merit - all agreed there was just cause to pursue but the problem is that they felt it was simply not worth pursuing. More than that, they felt that amateur radio, AM, SW and SWL is now officially dead. Does that sound alarmist? Remember these are the UK's EMC specialists, at the top of their field.

Here is an email from one of the UK's best known EMC consultants, reproduced with kind permission and redacted as necessary to protect his identity. Be warned, this is not for the faint hearted. I have been saying for some time that we are at war and I have lost credibility because of it. Nonetheless I remained stalwart in my resolve to wake UK radio users to the stark reality. You are about to gain insight into that reality and it isn't pleasant.

Here is your wake-up call. You can fight or you can give up, it's up to you. Horse, water, drink.
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Hello Nige,

I wish I was hearing from you under happier circumstances!

When the Radiocommunications Agency was closed down and its duties transferred to Ofcom, we all wondered how the ‘spectrum poacher’ was going to cope with also being the ‘spectrum gamekeeper’.

Well, as you’ve been reading the EMC Journal for a while, you will have seen the debacle over PLT, in which Ofcom quite shamelessly in my view showed everyone that it was not at all interested in being any kind of gamekeeper, and I’m afraid that your hobby is suffering as a result.

The official understanding seems to be that the radio spectrum that is not actually owned by anyone (i.e. spectrum that is not licensed to someone who pays the Government a handsome annual fee for its use) is suffering from a ‘Tragedy of the Commons’. When no-one owns something, anyone can grab it and deny it’s use to other people simply by bullying.

The official position is that Amateur Radio operators should choose another hobby. And that SW and AM radio listeners should instead listen to their radio stations on the Internet. This mantra is repeated all the way down from the Directorate in charge of the EMC Directive at the European Commission, several levels higher than our Ofcom.

The only way to get it back is by being a bigger bully. But when the bully is the body with statutory responsibility they are practically impossible to overcome.

The Editor and Publisher of the EMC Journal was of the opinion that Ofcom were a disgrace, and encouraged several of us to spend a considerable amount of time, and a lot of his money, on trying to raise awareness in the media, the public, the Civil Service, in the corridors of Westminster (i.e. politicians) even writing to David Cameron (who, when I last heard, had not even acknowledged receipt of his letter).

We made contact with the Commons Science Committee (or some such body of MPs) and all the other levers of power that we could find over several years – and got precisely nowhere.

Your situation is made especially difficult by two things:

1) Your hobby is a hobby – you can’t claim the EMI is causing you to lose export orders, or lives.
2) The issues are technical, and no-one can understand them. To you and me the technicalities are trivial, sometime in the extreme, but almost everyone you might try to communicate your concerns to does not understand Ohms Law, electricity, radio, or anything that is germane. When people are that unknowing – the technical words we use actually can’t be grasped by their minds, they can’t even remember the words. It’s actually like its Chinese to them.

I’ve been an expert witness in US court cases [...] and in the USA the trial judge has to assess whether a proposed expert witness is actually an expert, so during one such hearing I had expounded at length about EMI – in what I thought was very basic language that any educated person must be able to follow – and at the end of it the Judge asked me “Amps – I’ve heard of them! Can you tell me what an amp is?” He honestly had no clue about amperes, or electric current, and he was supposed to be judging a case involving possible EMI [...].

It is almost impossible for us technical people to comprehend how little the ordinary politician, journalist, viewer, etc., understands about electricity, radio etc. As far as they are concerned it might as well be magic and when practitioners of it disagree they have no way of determining who is right and who is wrong. We can make what seems like a perfectly logical and simple argument that anyone must surely be able to understand, then Ofcom (or whoever) employ lawyers to twist the language to reply using phrases that sound equally as reasonable to the audience, but are obviously incorrect to us.

The audience can’t choose between us, and so automatically defers to authority and assumes that Ofcom (or other designated authority we are arguing with) must be correct. We simply don’t stand a chance!

We learned this plain, ugly fact the hard way over PLT – and I’ve also learned it via my expert witness work in the USA – so I sympathise hugely with you, but I’m afraid your case is hopeless.

With PLT, I soon realised that the Government had finally broken the unwritten contract – the Government looks after the money and all that, and the technical experts specify what technical standards to apply in their areas of competency. Because there was short-term financial gain to be had by ignoring CISPR standards (never mind the fact that future generations would pay far more overall through the loss of parts of the radio spectrum) – the CISPR standards were simply ignored by PLT manufacturers and Ofcom and all the other regulators took their cue from the European Commission and just stood back and watched it happen.

I realised that given that reasoned arguments would no longer work, the only way to make any headway was to cause political embarrassment by marching on Parliament with banners and slogans and all that, sit down in the street and block the traffic, get manhandled by police, arrested, etc. The trick would be that everyone in the protest would have a science or engineering degree (or higher) and we would make sure the media were present to record the first ever ‘post-graduate march on Parliament’. But out of all the EMC and RSGB people who were desperately critical of Ofcom, the only one who ever volunteered to march with me, over the several years that I kept asking, was [redacted; = a single individual]!

A protest march by just two people would not have any kind of effect, so we never did it

Anyway, I’m sorry to have gone on at such length. It’s my way of saying that I really, really, really do understand the terrible way that you are being treated, but that I know from previous painful experience that even if I were to devote all my time and all of what little money and influence I have to supporting your complaint, we would still get nowhere in the end.

I’m very sorry. Your lifelong hobby has been crushed by businessmen who want to make money quickly, and the authorities who should be preserving a precious shared resource for our grandchildren are conniving with the businessmen to the inevitable detriment of future generations.It’s exactly like Victorian factory owners pumping clouds of foul smoke into that shared resource, the air, which we now know to be very bad but at the time was seen as an insignificant consequence of making more profits – and anyone who complained about air pollution was simply bullied until they gave up.

I understand that once you have the bit in your teeth, and a demonstrable injustice to seek redress for, the adrenaline is intoxicating! We all enjoy a good fight, especially when we know our cause is a just one! But it is a fight you just can’t win, I’m sorry.

It is indeed time to seek a different hobby! Or move into the far reaches of rural Wales, Scotland or Cornwall where the air is cleaner, the water purer, and the radio spectrum is not as badly polluted.

[...]

There’s simply no hope for your fight in the current political and social culture where everything is made a slave of the god of quick money, even if it at huge future expense to others.

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#2 Bericht door PA2OLD »

Het is haast ongelofelijk hoe er met een paar honderdduizend radioamateurs wordt omgegaan in Europa...
Terwijl er in de US er alleen maar amateurs bijkomen, zijn ze hier in Europa bewust bezig met afbraak.
Het gaat geloof ik alleen nog maar om geld binnen te graaien.
Ik zou eigenlijk andere woorden willen gebruiken, maar dat doe ik maar niet...
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#3 Bericht door Paul PD0PSB »

Ik hoorde dat de UBA Morse als "immaterieel erfgoed" wil registreren.
http://www.uba.be/nl/actueel/flash/mors ... el-erfgoed

Is het dan niet een idee om de HF banden die onlosmakelijk met onze rijke radiogeschiedenis verbonden zijn, ook als erfgoed te registreren?
Als een beschermd RF natuurgebied :)

Ik meen dit trouwens semi-serieus.

73
Paul
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#4 Bericht door ad pa3fbi »

15.000 amateurs in nl, en dan de rest van de aardbol nog, van al die amateur apparatuur, soldeerbouten, loep lampen, verlengsnoeren, meet apparaten enz. is een leuk bedrag aan belasting betaald.
Tevens hebben fabrieken en handel daar ook werk aan, dat is ook economisch belang !
Je maakt mij niet wijs dat alleen het belang van die plc’s telt.
De overheid moet beter op de winkel passen door de ambtenaren die koffie zitten te drinken eens flink aan het werk te schoppen, en de “electronica” te testen of het wel aan de normen voldoet.
Een mooi voorbeeld was pasgeleden de brand dekens die zelf in brand gaan, ze moesten het van onze zuiderburen horen…
Ja ja die belgen zijn toch zo gek nog niet…
De providers moeten bij de klant een box neerzetten met een normale coax uitgang, zodat ze de bestaande coax naar de woon- slaapkamer kunnen gebruiken die bijna altijd al aanwezig is.
Verder een snelle wifi router plaatsen, daar heeft men ook wat aan met een smart Phone en tablet.
En als er dan toch iets bekabeld moet worden geeft dat niet alleen in China werkgelegenheid.

Mensen, pak een peil radio en ga de straat op, bel aan, ga in discussie, melden bij at en veron-vrza, begin met wspr op 7,0386, daar schijnen plc’s last van te hebben, als we dit niet gaan doen dan wordt het zeker niets meer want ik krijg door dat velen denken : “ach laat een ander het maar doen”…
Ad, pa3fbi

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#5 Bericht door PE1KEL »

ad pa3fbi schreef:15.000 amateurs in nl, en dan de rest van de aardbol nog, van al die amateur apparatuur, soldeerbouten, loep lampen, verlengsnoeren, meet apparaten enz. is een leuk bedrag aan belasting betaald.
Tevens hebben fabrieken en handel daar ook werk aan, dat is ook economisch belang !
Je maakt mij niet wijs dat alleen het belang van die plc’s telt.

Ad, pa3fbi
Het belang is geld, en als de PLC's daar voor zorgen dan vindt men het ook goed.
Helaas is het zo.
Maar het bekende 'use it or lose it' geldt natuurlijk ook voor ons amateurs nog steeds...

Adriaan.

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#6 Bericht door PD9CN »

13-02 aanstaande is er een jaar vergadering van de VRZA.
En ik ga daar toch eens wat vragen stellen.
Wil wel eens weten wat de plannen zijn voor het behoud van de HF banden.

En is dat echt zo dat PLC last heeft WSPR en of JT65 :!: :?:
Kan alleen uitzending maken met JT65 USB 7076 of WSPR op 14Mhz :mrgreen:
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Het ligt op het puntje van mijn tong. Misschien ff slikken dan schiet het me wel te binnen...

73's

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#7 Bericht door ad pa3fbi »

Hallo Cor en mede strijders,

Kijk bij forum overzicht-mededelingen-internet over lichtnet plc Power Line Communication, de stukjes van PD2WR op de 3e pagina, hij heeft het over het in idle schieten van de plc, dat betekend zoiets als dat het systeem even de weg kwijt is.
Er wordt gesproken over 7.0386 MHz, dat is de wspr frequentie, daar weet ik weinig van, maar je moet daarvoor een gratis programma op je computer installeren, de computer klok met een internet klok synchroniseren, zodat je klok gelijk loopt, en dan wordt met een cat of usb kabel je set gestuurd zodat er iedere zoveel minuten een signaal met je call uitgezonden wordt, wat elders weer ontvangen wordt.
Ik hoor jullie denken: met een n machtiging mag ik daar niet komen..., :roll: uhh, nee, maar van mij mag het wel..., plc mag ook niet op hf komen... :twisted:
Ad pa3fbi

p.s. dit weekend een neef geholpen met zijn nieuwe flat, anders was ik er al aan begonnen...

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